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  • 485_se_dukhi
    07-26 08:54 PM
    I think the reason people get defensive is because love for your country is an emotional topic (some might call it patriotism)...just as love for your mother (or parents) or religion or political party etc. These are deeply personal issues. When you question any of these, expect fireworks.

    Many people migrate for better opportunity/ better lifestyle. Is that enough reason to question why they still love their original country? I might move from Lucknow to Bombay (for those of you who don't know these places, please substitute Wichita to New York) for the same reasons. Does it mean I stop being nostalgic about Lucknow? or stop loving it? How does migrating affect my love for the place one was born and brought up in?

    Needless to mention there are people from different countries in this forum. So lets refrain from implying that people who immigrate should not love their original motherland/fatherland etc.

    Actually its getting quite ridiculous now. So may I again request the moderators/ admin to pls close this thread. Thank you.

    I think this thread has definitely deviated from its main theme.

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  • snathan
    08-16 11:41 AM
    So shall we strip search Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton on their next visit to India? They can also be accused of bringing something illegal, isnt it?

    Does our people have the balls to do that?





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  • ebizash
    07-29 05:50 PM
    Any other funny stories.

    Seems like you are having lot of fun reading this thread!! You should pay some sort of entertainment tax to IV for this. :D :D





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  • Googler
    02-18 03:58 PM
    I do not understand why out of 205 people who voted yes, nobody has :

    1) Contacted an attorney with his own money if they are so interested?
    2) Nobody has agreed to become a plaintiff except Googler.

    Googler, why don't you lead this effort and become the plaintiff and get a lawyer to start filing a case? You can file a class action lawsuit on behalf of all immigrant community. Once you file the case people will thank you and appreciate your bravery.

    I do not think this lawsuit idea will go anywhere unless someone is willing to risk his greencard for it. Because once you become a plaintiff USCIS will review your case more thoroughly. Plus you need to get your employer on the same page for it. You also need to spend thousands of dollars from your own pocket to take part in your lawsuit.

    Another thing, I do not trust lawyers opinion in this matter unless a lawyer is a litigation lawyer. If a lawfirm is good at filing paperwork and filling applications, they cannot do a class action lawsuit. They may show interest in it for money and publicity. You need to get a litigation lawyer only for it.

    I've said this before but perhaps I'll have to say it many more times till it sinks in
    ... the thinking on this is at a VERY VERY VERY preliminary stage. In real life class action lawsuits, named plaintiffs are chosen based on how well they fit the argument in the case, not the other way round. As I said upthread, all those who want decisions, deals, money etc RIGHT NOW are being pretty unrealistic -- probably just because of unfamiliarity with the progress of cases like this. I know people want to be reassured that there is NO risk of losing, every decision node is mapped out, responsibility assigned, but if that is what anyone is thinking they have to rejigger their thinking. ;-)


    IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    Internet, if you voted no, why are you so worked up about it? Nobody is about to make you do anything you don't want to do. Carry on with your life, this is not about to impinge you negatively. Why do you care what other people do with their time?

    For people who voted yes, it is worth thinking about what you are willing to do for the effort -- at present, all that is needed is an interest and willingness to read and do some research and THAT IS ALL. Read the two paragraphs I quoted above.

    As far as contacting attorneys and moving the ball forward, it is a time consuming process -- it isn't as though they call you right back with a draft brief and legal arguments. This is not an ordinary paperwork issue. It has after all been a grand total of 6 days since the poll was started on 2-12-08!! ;-)



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  • chanduv23
    02-13 11:02 PM
    Those who have info on Rajiv Khanna's lawsuit, please post it on this thread. Please post valid links to references. Please analyse what went wrong, if Rajiv thought he had a case, why was the lawsuit not sucessful. Please post on this thread





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  • ita
    04-15 08:15 PM
    I remember reading last year a kid who posted something about why he doesn't like Saino was nabbed by cyber crime team near Delhi.Don't know what happened to him after that.

    Also I read about Chetan Kunte in the NDTV-Mumbai issue.

    CEC Gopalaswami said that Navin Chawla one of the EC always runs to loo breaks when they are in the middle of important decision making which may have not so good effect on a certain party and by the time Navin Chawla came back from loo break there would be a call from Congress party trying to pressurize the decision of Election commission.

    I read somewhere Rahul Gandhi during Boston arrest was rescued by Saino men in Vajpayee govt.

    Navin Chawla will most probably succeed Gopala Swami when he retires this month.

    Of course we all know about our honorable president (with due respect to her ,her body language looks like I'm sorry madam I'm sitting on a sofa in front of you when I should be by your feet ,when she's around Sonia Gandhi)

    Looks like this family has bought men all over the place.Now makes sense where all the scam money (be it oil scam or missile scam) goes.

    No wonder Varun Gandhi's issue was made such a big controversy even when nothing was proved.

    Kapil Sibal wanted to pull a Varun Gandhi stunt with Modi and Modi's response is hilarious.
    "To Union Minister Kapil Sibal’s remarks that Mr. Modi should be arrested for his rabid remarks, he said: “You have my address and you are free to arrest me anytime, if you have the guts.” “The jail that could keep me in is yet to be built in India,” he said.

    http://www.hindu.com/2009/04/15/stories/2009041561271300.htm

    Disclaimer:All the facts on this post are not my personal views but have been raised by politicians,journalists,officials which I found them on the internet while surfing.



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  • hebbar77
    09-04 06:22 PM
    dealsnet,

    Don�t assume that things will work like they work in YSR regime.

    If you think that, the discussion does not make any sense to you then keep away. You are assuming that IMV has compromised security. FYI, this is not a YSR forum, nor it his jagir to do a security compromise.

    True facts: I am with you on your thoughts. I feel the same for OUR country.





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  • jsb
    06-05 03:49 PM
    I guess many have mentioned this before.

    Diversity should not be based on "country" as well. For example I can easily say that "India" has to be considered as "20 different countries", if it divided based on diversity. And probably many of the europian countries combined should be "1 country".

    Means if the diversity quota is 100 per year, to call for proper diversity.....
    2000 for India...
    100 for many of the european countries combined....

    (Note: I didn't mean "ALL of europe", I know that whole Europe is pretty diverse as well...)

    Country based "diversity" doesn't make sense at all.

    We are not discussing justifications of US laws. We are trying to find ways within the existing laws, for speeding up our cases.



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  • snathan
    01-15 03:16 PM
    Is IV fighting for all of us on this?

    People are just discussing and discussing but nobody is doing anything. Are any lawyers doing anything?

    You step up do something...rather than wasting time.





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  • krishmunn
    06-12 04:40 PM
    Dilip,
    First, the rant on low wages does not hold water. The employer need to pay prevailing wage which is mandated in the LCA. If some employer does not pay that, employee can (and should) complain to DOL

    Second, you mentioned that you were employed for 2 days enabling you to file 485/EAD and thus you should not be termed out of status/illegal. If a company hired you for 2 days just to allow you to file 485 with no intent to have a job ready for you in future, the company and you commited immigration fraud --- a bigger problem. Also, you cannot invoke AC21 to switch employer before 180 days after you file 485. So, it still remains a mystery how you moved out just after filing 485.

    Your favor towards Grassleys bill shows you just want to close the door. Grassleys bill, if implemented will make it very difficult for even legit employers to get H1 employee. It is a kin to almost closing H1 program out of which you benefitted.

    Also, did you ever floated such ideas when you were on H1 ?



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  • walking_dude
    02-13 02:43 PM
    Are you sure you understood it fully?

    I wrote " if you think ", meaning a lot of harping on is happening based on the assumption that removal of country limits will impact ROW badly. It's not the fact. Though it has been explained a number of times that its not the case, some members obstinately stick to their guns and regurgitate it again!

    Taking some sentence written by me out-of-context does not prove anything.

    Can I ask you a question? How much of IV goals you have supported till date? How many IV activities you have participated? How much you have contributed? I'm interested in knowing. If you haven't , whether you have incentive or not, it doesn't make even a teeny difference to the movement.

    Is the cumulative effect of all three measures good for me (reduced wait time, or no change in wait time), or bad for me (increased wait time.)?

    I read this, and I was referring to this:



    So, does recapture and the increase in quota and the removal of the country limits, result in a greater wait time for me, as the comment above seems to imply. It would, if the recapture and the increase are not large enough to offset the effects of the removal of the per-country limit on ROW.

    Coz if it does, then I don't have an incentive to support your goals, do I?





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  • Ramba
    05-11 11:53 PM
    As a person you are offended that I made comment based on what you said in one post without considering your whole lifestory. India's history is out there for everybody to see and most educated indians know pretty well what kind of a nation India is.
    However, you managed to compare India with Nazi Germany. Great job. Based on 1 incident, you managed to slam a great nation like India.

    ---For one second hold on your patriotism for India. What kind of greatness did you find in India? Supreme court orders to share the water between TN and Karnadaka. But state of karnataka don't obey the court order. Everytime TN has to beg for water. Same is true with Kerala. Bihari, peoples can not go and work in Maharastra; It is shame that happens in same country. why Bihar to Maharastra? You can not bring the TN labors just live 2 km from kerala border to work in tea estate in Kerala where communist has strong union to protest the job taken away by other state labors. Here we are talking about restriction on H1B. It is just two examples of millions of social, economical, political problems in India.

    ...
    But when it comes to you you want many factors considered. Why the double standard?

    Then there are some wacko job politician from TN that says if Prabhakaran is hurt , they will separate from India. All they need is read back to early years of post independence India and a person named Vallabh Bhai Patel. There are still people with similar capacity in India, that will bring such wacko jobs and their supporters in control.

    Remember, same goes true for the wacko jobs from Maharashtra too who say Maharashtra is for Marathi's.

    -----Are you following what we are discussing? We are not talking about Maratha for Marathi or Tamilnadu for Tamils.

    Don't compare 1971 Bangladesh with current day Srilanka, if you can think straight.

    ----May we know why one should not compare India's role in Bangladesh with SL?.

    The problem with SL issue, most of the Indians consider this issue as a "Tamil" issue rather than "Indian" issue.Thats why, though severity and number of life lost in SL is much greater than bangladesh, people ask this type of question.

    Flag burnig is a criminal offense in India, just FYI.

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  • GCOP
    07-24 11:33 AM
    We appreciate your nice prediction and Good Wishes. I hope your words will turn into truth. Thanks
    Trust me. I was under the impression that it will be 3-4 years before I see green, but the reality is almost true for me now. Similarly, EB3 folks would get some news by next year. Who knows, the government will change and we have seen how keenly Obama wants a change ;). May be recapturing visas provision will be considered next year and everyone until 2006(EB3) may see some green. We never know. It's all magic and lets hope for the best. :D





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  • gc28262
    01-16 06:14 PM
    http://www.murthy.com/news/n_repatt.html dated March 2006

    I discussed the matter of the Consular section requiring end-user client (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) letters. Many H1B employers and employees, as well as several AILA attorneys, have approached me as well as the Murthy Law Firm, inquiring about this. The matter deals with the fairly recent requests for letters from supervisors of the end-user clients. These requests require the end users to outline the nature of the job to be performed by the H1B visa candidate, provide details of where the candidate will work, the length of the project, and the need for a specific H1B employee by name and other details. Unfortunately, most end-user clients are not willing to comply with such an onerous request. The very reason for the end-user client to hire an outside consulting company is to minimize the burden of administrative or HR responsibilities. Moreover, the law does not require such detailed letters for the issuance of H1B visas.
    �MurthyDotCom
    I respectfully summarized the position of many of you, our clients or those using candidates who apply for the H1B visa at Chennai, as follows.

    End-user clients generally will not issue letters to the consulate, as they do not wish to get involved with the H1B process. The very nature of the employment relationship, when hiring through consulting companies, is to avoid or minimize the work related to hiring candidates.
    Employers who sign the H1B documents do so under penalty of perjury and must pay the required prevailing wage, irrespective of whether they have assignments for the H1B candidates. The employer may decide to send the candidate back to his/her home country if enough assignments cannot be found.
    Legacy INS (now USCIS) raised many similar issues, in the early- to mid-1990s, regarding the length and nature of the projects in the U.S., timetable of assignments, and the H1B employer�s ability to pay the required prevailing wage. Senior Legacy INS officials from headquarters in Washington DC addressed the concerns of those examiners by pointing out that the law does not permit them to investigate a U.S. employer�s ability to hire H1B employees. The USCIS is bound by memos and policy guidance of the Legacy INS. After that memo, Legacy INS stopped issuing lengthy RFEs on these matters.
    The law does not require any such letters by end-user clients for the issuance of the H1B visas to the visa applicants.
    Delays in the issuance of H1B visas cause many of the employers considerable financial (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/#) loss and postpone the implementation of projects. This results in the additional loss of revenues and credibility with their clients, due to their inability to produce in a timely fashion the required specialty-worker candidates.



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  • new2gc
    09-04 12:03 PM
    Dont just fool by news and be little skeptical . All system(media, politician ) is so corrupted. You never know, This may be manufactured news, labeling natural deaths across AP to Shock/suide to make easy road for his son to be CM....

    well said... just all the heart attacks deaths that day, they are accounting to YSR news.

    All YSR aides wants his son as CM just because they do not want issues witht he current deals they have in projects...

    Hope his son learns the lesson, how many crores he might own, they won't come to help if his time comes. he should be happy by now with what they LOOTED.

    YSR will be richest person in the world (not just India) if his asserts are brought to light.





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  • desim
    07-14 11:13 PM
    Thank you for your service and to IV for helping us.

    I have a question regarding my wife's status. Here is our current status:

    She got thru H1B lottery this year and is waiting for approval. Both our I94 are valid until Aug 11 this year. I have a valid visa until 09 today. She does have a gap between Aug 11 and Oct 1, 08.

    Her employer says he filed her application as COS. I believe it will be CP as there is a gap in her status. We want to travel to India after receiving her H1B approval. We will be getting our H1B/H4 visa stamping and return before Oct 1.

    My questions are

    1. after our return what needs to be done for my wife to work from Oct 1. Do I need to file a COS or Amendment to change her status from H4 to H1b from Oct 1?
    2. If so which form will it be I-129? Is there premium processing available for this?

    Thanks!



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  • sh2005
    02-12 01:32 PM
    I am a little unclear on all of the retrogression ect. But can someone please explain how EB3 ROW can be retrogressed and not use all of the visa numbers in a year? That doesnt even make sense to me? Would someone please shed some light?

    I have the same question. State dept advances the date just so that the available visas are used up for that category by the end of the fiscal year. If a category is retrogressed, then it can't really be "undersubscribed". Maybe there's more to it than what meets the eye here?

    The following was listed at the bottom of the page in the March VB in state dept's website:

    The cut-off date movement for March in several Employment categories has been greater than those experienced in recent months. Advancement of the cut-off dates at this time should prevent a situation later in the fiscal year where there are large amounts of numbers available but not enough time to use them. If the expected increase in CIS number use materializes, future cut-off date movements could slow or stop.

    In the past, state dept guesstimated the demand for visas and changed the dates accordingly. Now that USCIS has almost everyone's I-485 application (those who were able to file by August 2007), logic would dictate that the state dept calculates these date movements based on feedback from USCIS. But maybe that isn't the case. Does anyone have any insight on this?





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  • nozerd
    05-11 04:34 PM
    Depends on your income and number of kids. Check http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/benefits/cctb/faq_payments-e.html for more info. Some details below.

    CCTB: Calculation and payment information
    When are Canada Child Tax Benefit (CCTB) payments made?
    I did not receive my CCTB payment this month. What should I do?
    How do I tell the CRA about my change of address?
    Can I start getting my CCTB payments by direct deposit?
    How do I change my banking information if I receive my payments by direct deposit?
    What happens to CCTB payments if the recipient dies?
    When do we recalculate your CCTB?
    What happens if you owe money for CCTB?
    How are the Canada Child Tax Benefit and the National Child Benefit Supplement calculated?
    What determines the maximum payment for the National Child Benefit Supplement (NCBS)?
    Do the Child Care Expenses that I claim on my 2005 income tax return affect my CCTB?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    1. When are Canada Child Tax Benefit payments made?
    Benefits are paid over a 12-month period from July of one year to June of the next year. Generally, payments are made on the 20th of each month or, if your annual entitlement is less than $120, we will send it all in one payment on July 20th.

    CCTB and integrated payment* dates

    July 20th, 2006
    August 18th, 2006
    September 20th, 2006
    October 20th, 2006
    November 20th, 2006
    December 13th, 2006
    January 19th, 2007
    February 20th, 2007
    March 20th, 2007
    April 20th, 2007
    May 18th, 2007
    June 20th, 2007

    * Note: Integrated payments include the BC Family Bonus, the New Brunswick Child Tax Benefit, the Newfoundland and Labrador Child Benefit, the Northwest Territories Child Benefit, the Nova Scotia Child Benefit, the Nunavut Child Benefit, the Saskatchewan Child Benefit, and the Yukon Child Benefit.

    The Alberta Family Employment Tax Credit is issued twice a year, in July and January. The payments will be issued on July 27, 2005, and January 27, 2006, for the 2004 base year.

    For more information regarding our benefit programs, please visit the Canada Child Tax Benefit (CCTB) page.

    2. I did not receive my Canada Child Tax Benefit payment this month. What should I do?
    We generally pay your benefit on the 20th of each month. If your payment does not arrive on that day, please wait five working days before calling us at 1-800-387-1193.

    3. How do I tell the CRA about my change of address?
    See How to change your address.


    Top of page4. Can I start getting my Canada Child Tax Benefit (CCTB) payments by direct deposit?
    You can have your CCTB payments deposited directly into your account at a financial institution. To start direct deposit, complete the "Direct deposit" section on Form RC66, Canada Child Tax Benefit Application, or send us a completed Form T1-DD(1), Direct Deposit Request - Individuals. If you get your payments by direct deposit and your banking information changes, send us a completed Form T1-DD(1), Direct Deposit Request - Individuals. You cannot change your banking information by calling us unless you have other CRA products deposited into that same account.

    If for any reason we cannot deposit a payment into your account, we will mail a cheque to you at the address we have on file.

    5. How do I change my banking information if I receive my payments by direct deposit?
    If you get your payments by direct deposit and your banking information changes, send us a completed Form T1-DD(1), Direct Deposit Request - Individuals. You cannot change your banking information by calling us unless you have other CRA products deposited into that same account.

    6. What happens to Canada Child Tax Benefit (CCTB) payments if the recipient dies?
    If an individual dies who was receiving CCTB payments for a child, the child's new caregiver should contact us and give us the date of the recipient's death.

    We may still send out a payment after the date of death because we are not aware of the death. If this happens, please return the payment to us with a brief letter of explanation. See our listing of CRA offices for the one nearest you.

    If you are the surviving spouse or common-law partner of the deceased individual and you lived with that person at the time of his or her death, in most cases you won't have to complete a new CCTB application. If certain requirements have been met, the children will be automatically transferred to your account.

    If you are any other caregiver (such as grandparent or guardian), you will have to complete Form RC66, Canada Child Tax Benefit Application, and send it to us.

    Note
    If you are the new caregiver and the deceased individual was receiving payments under provincial or territorial child benefit programs that we administer, you do not have to apply separately to qualify for these payments. We will use the information from Form RC66 to determine if you are eligible for these programs.


    Top of page7. When do we recalculate your CCTB?
    We will recalculate your benefit and send you a Canada Child Tax Benefit Notice showing our revised calculation:

    every July based on the returns that you and your spouse or common-law partner filed for the previous year;
    after each reassessment of either your or your spouse or common-law partner's return that affects the calculation of your benefit;
    after a child for whom you receive the CCTB turns 18 (the last payment you will receive will be for the month of his or her birthday); and
    after you tell us about changes to your situation that could affect your benefit (see When to contact us about your CCTB).
    8. What happens if you owe money for CCTB?
    If a recalculation shows that you were overpaid CCTB, we will send you a notice to advise you of the balance owing. We may keep all or a portion of future CCTB payments, income tax refunds, or goods and services/harmonized tax credit (GST/HST) credits until the balance is repaid.

    9. How are the Canada Child Tax Benefit and the National Child Benefit Supplement calculated?
    You can use our new online service to get an estimate of your benefits.

    Your CCTB payments for the 12 - month period of July 2006 to June 2007 are calculated using the following information:

    The number of children you have;
    Your province or territory of residence;
    Your 2005 family net income;
    Your or your spouse or common-law partner's claim for child care expenses for 2005; and
    Your child's eligibility for the Child Disability Benefit.
    Basic benefit:

    The basic benefit is $1,255 ($104.58 a month) for each child under age 18 (the basic benefit is different for residents of Alberta, see the note below).
    There is a supplement of $88 ($7.33 a month) for your third and each additional child.
    There is a supplement of $249 ($20.75 a month) for each child who is six years of age. This supplement is reduced by 25% of any amount you or your spouse or common-law partner claimed for child care expenses on your income tax return. Eligible families with children under six years of age will receive the new Universal Child Care Benefit.
    We subtract a benefit reduction from this amount if your family net income is more than $36,378. For a one-child family, the reduction is 2% of the amount of your family net income that is more than $36,378. For families with two or more children, the reduction is 4%.
    Note
    The Alberta provincial government has chosen to vary the amount of the basic benefit that its residents receive. The basic benefit is:

    $1,147 ($95.58 a month) for children under 7;
    $1,225 ($102.08 a month) for children 7 to 11;
    $1,373 ($114.41 a month) for children 12 to 15; and
    $1,452 ($121.00 a month) for children 16 or 17.
    National Child Benefit Supplement (NCBS):

    One-child family: $1,945 a year ($162.08 a month). This amount is reduced by 12.2% of the amount of family net income that is more than $20,435.
    Two-child family: $1,720 a year ($143.33 a month). This amount is reduced by 22.9% of the amount of family net income that is more than $20,435.
    Three-or-more-child family: $1,637 a year ($136.41 a month). The total will be reduced by 33.2% of the amount of family net income that is more than $20,435.
    Note
    If you are on social assistance, the NCBS may affect the amount of your social assistance payments. Many provinces and territories will consider the NCBS you get as income and will adjust your basic social assistance by this amount.




    Thanks for the response. Govt sends a check for each child every month ! Thats too good to be true. How much is the check for.





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  • bayarea07
    07-28 02:07 PM
    I donot think its in any way wrong to come meet somebody and say hi and try to talk to but what is wrong is the methodology adopted by these folks which basically irritates people.
    I do not think its any way different then any networking event in Bay Area , the only difference is you meet somebody introduce yourselves and about your product and then move on and then just wait for the other person to contact you, however in case of amway first part of meeting is ok but they completely miss out on the second part instead of waiting for the second person to call they just keep calling you and harassing you with calls


    Hi Gopi,
    Good post. But tell me why should i give a damn about either Amway or BWW? I don't.

    It is horribly insane to talk to your business ambitions to a stranger. Every person is different and I personally take it offensive when someone I don't know comes and bothers me with his/her business nonsense. I am sure there are many people who think in the same way.

    In the beginning, whenever a I came across a Desi in a mall or in a public place, it used to make me happy. Now, I always suspect that it could be a Amway SOB who is coming to me with his trash bag.

    By the way, Gopi, this is nothing against you personally.

    To all Amway street walkers, get the hell out of my way. I don't want to hear your nonsense. Period.





    JA1HIND
    02-13 11:27 AM
    Way to go Arvind..... Chandu pls note 2 contributors without even a campaign launch.

    But on the flip side I totally agree with Walkingdude that once IV files a case then it is the end of discussion and everything else. So again consult a good lawyer actually a very good lawyer.....and then decide to proceed.

    We will stand with whatever our IV core decides but lets give it a serious thought

    IV team & friends, please remember this is just my first phase of contribution and can go beyond than what I confirmed if we know how much it's going to cost.....

    Go IV team, you have my Nth degree of support in this matter and will do as much as I can.....you all are doing great..





    diptam
    07-04 12:07 AM
    Agreed !!

    These days i'm driving back from work instead of taking the Train/subway because my client location changed and i built this habit of listening to
    Talk radio by guys like Howie Carr , Michael Savage etc.. ( WRKO 680 at Boston) and they really influence Public decision....

    They were beating the s*** out of Bush, Ted kennedy because of CIR ( atleast verbally ) and calls after calls were coming from local american Public...

    But our story may not be very interesting for Locals - so talk radio probably won't take it up as a Topic ???

    Yeah seriously. Do you know that a lot of talk shows and their hosts have played a significant role in pulling CIR down? If they can do it, we can do it too. Go ahead and digg the stories